“Imho, students who are "not resilient" or "not mature" (Ayling's descriptors for people he believes maybe "shouldn't be at university") might also be fairly described as "vulnerable/sensitive/fragile" or "immature"…” They might ‘also be’, but they are not...
“And yet, opposing "a panel discussion about the rights and responsibilities associated with freedom of speech" (in its present form) was the very option chosen by some students attending Victoria University“ And that’s their right, but it’s also a ...
"Just thought it was problematic for a free speech advocate to be suggesting students who might choose not to deal with (some) ideas that they found uncomfortable (for whatever reason) shouldn't be at university." This depends on what purpose you proscribe...
"And perhaps those who are truly committed to free speech would be open to the idea of not excluding potential university students who are questioning, or even hold a contrary view " A contrary view to what? If you're suggesting that opposing freedom of ...
"And should commitment to free speech be a prerequisite for university admission? " Absolutely. Or at least, as Weka has recently articulated, freedom of expression. Students, of all people, should welcome the sunlight of free and open debate. Unless, of ...
"I mean ..what the fornicate are universities for..?....if not the debating of ideas..?" That horse bolted some time ago, Phillip. Apparently the student association head at Vic said she was "glad to see the event was postponed and being reformatted." It's...
Yes there are some subjects that where, sadly, the discourse is now dominated by a singular point of view. The discussion around the place of Mātauranga is one case in point.
"Sure, but if that is free speech, then labelling the state of Israel an apartheid state, is so as well." Of course. Why would it be otherwise?
I'm not quite sure why the FSU are expected to speak into the issue of 'pro palestinian protestors' being accused of anti-semitism. If the protestors were having their freedom of speech/expression curtailed, that's one thing, but being labelled anti-...
From the link: More than 600 people had registered their interest in attending the event, a panel discussion about the role of universities in free speech. But earlier this week the university postponed the event with a notice saying “the mere framing of ...
"Some students would have noted the FSU made no defence of pro Palestinian protestors when they were accused of antisemitism. " Really? My response to that would be they should go along and use the Q&A to ask.
Thanks Weka, you make some excellent points.
Do you think it's a good idea for students (at a University of all places ) to be exposed to a range of views and opinions? Because that's the issue here, not who pays for their education.
Isn't freedom of expression just free speech extended to all other forms of communication?
Those students (who btw only pay a fraction of the cost of their education) will learn the hard way that in life people say things they may find uncomfortable.
How do we know? By listening to them. The only people wanting their preferred speech to dominate in this instance are a cohort of students.
A free speech event is postponed because, well, some students don’t like their perceived view of the speakers. https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350258865/victoria-university-postpones-challenging-free-speech-event This is the weird country we have become.
I doubt anyone is perplexed that after just a few months all the problems of the world have not been resolved. As for ‘cratering’ the Wellington economy, given how few job losses there has been in Wellington so far, that’s some fantastic hyperbole there.
... who didn’t like international travel. It took forever for Hipkins...
Both Clark and Key made decent PM's. That reflected in their personal popularity, and their political success. So maybe there's hope for Luxon yet.
Another day another anecdote. A CEO with a few detractors. And a legacy of success. Maybe he will make a decent PM.
Exactly! These are all anecdotes. That was why I questioned Anne’s claim. It’s the old ‘depends who you talk to’, including Anne’s ‘couple of pilots’.
The 'boss' was leaving the next week. So yeah, they would have said what they wanted.
Thanks for the Herald link - the original is behind a paywall. The take-away is that Luxon oversaw a period of high profitability and improved industrial relations. And this: Union reps were among the guests at Luxon's farewell put on by the airline's ...
Your comment didn't require any mind reading, Anne.
That wasn't Cathy Quinn's view. And there appeared to be a lot more successes for Air NZ under Luxon's leadership than just financial.
"Says a couple of pilots I happened to know who were also speaking on behalf of their colleagues. " So gossip, basically. Doesn't carry any weight with me. "Do you believe everything you read in the press? They wouldn't exaggerate would they… because it ...
Good point.
Very pithy comments. Every time I've watched Lee and/or Simmonds I've had the uncanny feeling I'm watching Claire Curran rehashed, which is kind of ironic in Lee's case.
"That is why he was so unpopular at Air NZ. " Says who? Running a large international airline is not a popularity contest, but I know several people who worked at Air NZ during his tenure and say he was liked and respected. I'm not convinced about Luxon ...
No! That comment was made by Molly Smith, the Newshub journalist. Re-reading her quote, it is impossible to know whether she was using your interpretation or mine. So thanks.
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