Comments on: The Standard Week: 26 September - 3 October http://www.thestandard.org.nz/the-standard-week-26-september-3-october/ The New Zealand labour movement used to have its own newspaper. A group of us thought that now might be a good time for it to be digitally reborn: The Standard v2.0. Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:23:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: higherstandard http://www.thestandard.org.nz/the-standard-week-26-september-3-october/#comment-92445 higherstandard Sat, 04 Oct 2008 05:16:03 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=3231#comment-92445 Randal - I thought you were off electioneering with Winnie Randal - I thought you were off electioneering with Winnie

]]> By: randal http://www.thestandard.org.nz/the-standard-week-26-september-3-october/#comment-92443 randal Sat, 04 Oct 2008 04:51:07 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=3231#comment-92443 On the button travellerev. that last post from hs also looks like it is almost on the slippery slope to maudlin alcoholic maundering. physician heal thyself! On the button travellerev. that last post from hs also looks like it is almost on the slippery slope to maudlin alcoholic maundering. physician heal thyself!

]]> By: Johnty Rhodes http://www.thestandard.org.nz/the-standard-week-26-september-3-october/#comment-92441 Johnty Rhodes Sat, 04 Oct 2008 04:37:13 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=3231#comment-92441 Re the EFA, nearly everyone is saying it is a dog of a law, it is even condemmed by Ms Catt who oversees the process. Maybe National if in power will get cross party support for new rules? This will also apply to changes to the electoral act where Labour have been partisan in employing it's own people to look at. A binding referendum is also more democratic, don't you think? This is what National are proposing. <strong>[lprent: But you notice that the Nay's haven't described what they'd replace the EFA with. Their immediate objective appears to be to replace it with the EA 1993 again (from the vague description they have given). That was an act that had more holes in it than the current one. They happened to be the holes that the Nat's have been exploiting undemocratically for 15 years. What happens when they propose a new bill and labour does exactly what the Nays did last time - oppose it for electoral advantage. What happens to cross party support then? Or do they just mean parties that agree with them? Perhaps you should ask them for more detail about what they propose.]</strong> Re the EFA, nearly everyone is saying it is a dog of a law, it is even condemmed by Ms Catt who oversees the process. Maybe National if in power will get cross party support for new rules? This will also apply to changes to the electoral act where Labour have been partisan in employing it’s own people to look at. A binding referendum is also more democratic, don’t you think? This is what National are proposing.

[lprent: But you notice that the Nay's haven't described what they'd replace the EFA with. Their immediate objective appears to be to replace it with the EA 1993 again (from the vague description they have given). That was an act that had more holes in it than the current one. They happened to be the holes that the Nat's have been exploiting undemocratically for 15 years.

What happens when they propose a new bill and labour does exactly what the Nays did last time - oppose it for electoral advantage. What happens to cross party support then? Or do they just mean parties that agree with them?

Perhaps you should ask them for more detail about what they propose.]

]]> By: Johnty Rhodes http://www.thestandard.org.nz/the-standard-week-26-september-3-october/#comment-92440 Johnty Rhodes Sat, 04 Oct 2008 04:32:46 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=3231#comment-92440 Well Iprent, you called me a wanker, that is against one of your rules in your policy, but I suppose as owner it is your right to abuse people with differing views. <strong>[lprent: Actually I didn't - well not unless you identify yourself as :- <i>For some strange reason no-one really can be bothered with the self-perceived 'rights' of wankers who just want to deface the system. It is usually a hard lesson for some newbies to learn.</i> But hey, if you're here to try to deface the system, then by all means take the appellation as your own. Of course your lifespan here in terms of numbers of comments could be quite low. You wouldn't met the local standards. I couldn't care less about your views. I do care deeply and forcefully about your behaviour on my site. Scrawling troll graffiti in the comments area has a very fast response. I'd suggest lifting the level of your comments and engaging in <i>useful discussion</i> with other commentators is the fastest way to get out of moderation.]</strong> Well Iprent, you called me a wanker, that is against one of your rules in your policy, but I suppose as owner it is your right to abuse people with differing views.

[lprent: Actually I didn't - well not unless you identify yourself as :-

For some strange reason no-one really can be bothered with the self-perceived 'rights' of wankers who just want to deface the system. It is usually a hard lesson for some newbies to learn.

But hey, if you're here to try to deface the system, then by all means take the appellation as your own. Of course your lifespan here in terms of numbers of comments could be quite low. You wouldn't met the local standards.

I couldn't care less about your views.

I do care deeply and forcefully about your behaviour on my site. Scrawling troll graffiti in the comments area has a very fast response. I'd suggest lifting the level of your comments and engaging in useful discussion with other commentators is the fastest way to get out of moderation.]

]]> By: higherstandard http://www.thestandard.org.nz/the-standard-week-26-september-3-october/#comment-92439 higherstandard Sat, 04 Oct 2008 03:56:13 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=3231#comment-92439 Eve dear just pointing out to one of the posters that those of all political leanings are guilty of letting their mouths run off at the expense of their credibility - feel to disagree if you want it's a free country. Eve dear just pointing out to one of the posters that those of all political leanings are guilty of letting their mouths run off at the expense of their credibility - feel to disagree if you want it’s a free country.

]]> By: travellerev http://www.thestandard.org.nz/the-standard-week-26-september-3-october/#comment-92435 travellerev Sat, 04 Oct 2008 03:41:43 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=3231#comment-92435 HS, As I said, you sad baiter you. HS,

As I said, you sad baiter you.

]]> By: Killinginthenameof http://www.thestandard.org.nz/the-standard-week-26-september-3-october/#comment-92434 Killinginthenameof Sat, 04 Oct 2008 03:25:32 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=3231#comment-92434 mhmm that post and discussion is really ripe for pulling out some quotes at a later date. Massive massive hypocracy, people praising a law, saying its well needed and quite reasonable in America, but the same thing in Sweden is the end of the world and will leave Sweden worse than nazi germany. Theres also an interesting chain of logic to be extracted. P1) Sarah Palin is a moron P2) Sarah Palin appeals to "real Americans" because shes like them C) ?? What a pity i'm unable to post there. Keep up the good work L Prentice and co, any reasonably intelligent commentator (from either left or right) can see that the moderation policy here relly is getting a better standard of discussion. Its just a pity that both sides aren't interested in high quality fact based discussion. mhmm that post and discussion is really ripe for pulling out some quotes at a later date. Massive massive hypocracy, people praising a law, saying its well needed and quite reasonable in America, but the same thing in Sweden is the end of the world and will leave Sweden worse than nazi germany.

Theres also an interesting chain of logic to be extracted.

P1) Sarah Palin is a moron

P2) Sarah Palin appeals to “real Americans” because shes like them

C) ??

What a pity i’m unable to post there.

Keep up the good work L Prentice and co, any reasonably intelligent commentator (from either left or right) can see that the moderation policy here relly is getting a better standard of discussion. Its just a pity that both sides aren’t interested in high quality fact based discussion.

]]> By: Ianmac http://www.thestandard.org.nz/the-standard-week-26-september-3-october/#comment-92429 Ianmac Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:50:28 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=3231#comment-92429 I think that the shopkeeper who was charged with assault in Auck was not being attacked but had come out of his shop and accused the lad of shoplifting then attacked him with a hockey stick which lead to the fracas. So if so this was man attacks boy not man defends self. The boy and others are also charged with assault(?) I think. The rants from people like Jonty Roads, appear in many blogs and one's eye just skids over them and for me I read the reasoned arguments from all sides eg Colin Espiners Blog. The counterarguments on most issues are rather illuminating. Jonty and HS add nothing really. I think that the shopkeeper who was charged with assault in Auck was not being attacked but had come out of his shop and accused the lad of shoplifting then attacked him with a hockey stick which lead to the fracas. So if so this was man attacks boy not man defends self. The boy and others are also charged with assault(?) I think.
The rants from people like Jonty Roads, appear in many blogs and one’s eye just skids over them and for me I read the reasoned arguments from all sides eg Colin Espiners Blog. The counterarguments on most issues are rather illuminating. Jonty and HS add nothing really.

]]> By: Pascal's bookie http://www.thestandard.org.nz/the-standard-week-26-september-3-october/#comment-92426 Pascal's bookie Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:40:23 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=3231#comment-92426 The bible bashing incident is a cracker. Some truly quality crazy. The guy is known to Hawkins and told him some time ago that he would be hit with the Bible in question. It's no ordinary bible, it's got the power! 'twas used to hit a malcontent in Fiji many years back and said malcontent was laid low by the lord and verily did he expire this mortal coil shortly after. The good book wit' a powerful left hook. Given it's history and the gentleman's intent that by striking George with it, George should die, attempted murder? Assault with a deadly weapon? The bible bashing incident is a cracker. Some truly quality crazy.

The guy is known to Hawkins and told him some time ago that he would be hit with the Bible in question. It’s no ordinary bible, it’s got the power! ’twas used to hit a malcontent in Fiji many years back and said malcontent was laid low by the lord and verily did he expire this mortal coil shortly after. The good book wit’ a powerful left hook.

Given it’s history and the gentleman’s intent that by striking George with it, George should die, attempted murder? Assault with a deadly weapon?

]]> By: Killinginthenameof http://www.thestandard.org.nz/the-standard-week-26-september-3-october/#comment-92425 Killinginthenameof Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:31:07 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=3231#comment-92425 Did he actually hit the guy with a mircophone? or was it just swung pretty close? there was a couple of videos from different angles. It's kind of a pointless debate anyway, we all know if it had been someone from the right they would be praising him for acting in self defence. Did he actually hit the guy with a mircophone? or was it just swung pretty close? there was a couple of videos from different angles. It’s kind of a pointless debate anyway, we all know if it had been someone from the right they would be praising him for acting in self defence.

]]> By: Johnty Rhodes http://www.thestandard.org.nz/the-standard-week-26-september-3-october/#comment-92424 Johnty Rhodes Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:21:23 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=3231#comment-92424 If I get severely peeved then I'll start feeding you to the spambot which will then start restricting your access to all wordpress sites (and others). If that is too slow then I'll lodge a complaint with your ISP.] Iprent - what have I done that will make the ISP take action? You are acting like a bully boy in the school park. Are ISPs under the control of the ninth floor as well? Sounds like China to me. <strong>[lprent: The point is that this site is private property (paid for and run by me). It is not public property, doesn't get paid for from anywhere apart from my pocket. Getting rid of pests off my site seems like quite a legitimate thing for me to do, especially the ones that don't read and confine themselves to the rules of the site. Read the <a href='http://www.thestandard.org.nz/policy/' rel="nofollow">Policy</a>. It was put in place because there have been some quite active attempts to make the comments section unreadable using trolling techniques (which I detest). That was effectively driving out the people who wanted to debate issues. So we stuck in policy and techniques to make sure it doesn't happen. I happen to enjoy enforcing them as being a way of helping rid the net of puerile dickheads who have no manners or ability to debate with any rationality. At the last resort, all ISP's accept complaints about abuse of their services from abusive e-mails up to and including abusing comment websites. They will make their own assessments about if it is abuse, but usually that a webmaster being bothered to complain is sufficient. For some strange reason no-one really can be bothered with the self-perceived 'rights' of wankers who just want to deface the system. It is usually a hard lesson for some newbies to learn.]</strong> If I get severely peeved then I’ll start feeding you to the spambot which will then start restricting your access to all wordpress sites (and others). If that is too slow then I’ll lodge a complaint with your ISP.]

Iprent - what have I done that will make the ISP take action? You are acting like a bully boy in the school park. Are ISPs under the control of the ninth floor as well? Sounds like China to me.

[lprent: The point is that this site is private property (paid for and run by me). It is not public property, doesn't get paid for from anywhere apart from my pocket. Getting rid of pests off my site seems like quite a legitimate thing for me to do, especially the ones that don't read and confine themselves to the rules of the site. Read the Policy.

It was put in place because there have been some quite active attempts to make the comments section unreadable using trolling techniques (which I detest). That was effectively driving out the people who wanted to debate issues. So we stuck in policy and techniques to make sure it doesn't happen. I happen to enjoy enforcing them as being a way of helping rid the net of puerile dickheads who have no manners or ability to debate with any rationality.

At the last resort, all ISP's accept complaints about abuse of their services from abusive e-mails up to and including abusing comment websites. They will make their own assessments about if it is abuse, but usually that a webmaster being bothered to complain is sufficient. For some strange reason no-one really can be bothered with the self-perceived 'rights' of wankers who just want to deface the system. It is usually a hard lesson for some newbies to learn.]

]]> By: Ari http://www.thestandard.org.nz/the-standard-week-26-september-3-october/#comment-92420 Ari Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:23:07 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=3231#comment-92420 Trolls: The penalty corners that just keep on giving. :) Trolls: The penalty corners that just keep on giving. :)

]]> By: Johnty Rhodes http://www.thestandard.org.nz/the-standard-week-26-september-3-october/#comment-92419 Johnty Rhodes Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:09:23 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=3231#comment-92419 Randal - the debate here is just crap, 10-20 hard core lefty people regurgitating their beleifs and a few righties like myself saying what has been posted is a load of lies, crime is down etc. That is false, despite what the statistics say. <strong>[and yet he can't stay away. SP]</strong><strong></strong> Randal - the debate here is just crap, 10-20 hard core lefty people regurgitating their beleifs and a few righties like myself saying what has been posted is a load of lies, crime is down etc. That is false, despite what the statistics say.

[and yet he can't stay away. SP]

]]> By: randal http://www.thestandard.org.nz/the-standard-week-26-september-3-october/#comment-92418 randal Fri, 03 Oct 2008 21:11:05 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=3231#comment-92418 Hi the standard. it has been a very good week here. no where else have the issues been debated with such clarity and fervour. of course the trolls are going to come out with their divisive and diverting nonsense but that that only serves to sharpen up the arguments. I love trolls. Its like getting a free kick in sport. HS take you thorazine and go back to bed. Hi the standard. it has been a very good week here. no where else have the issues been debated with such clarity and fervour. of course the trolls are going to come out with their divisive and diverting nonsense but that that only serves to sharpen up the arguments. I love trolls. Its like getting a free kick in sport. HS take you thorazine and go back to bed.

]]> By: higherstandard http://www.thestandard.org.nz/the-standard-week-26-september-3-october/#comment-92414 higherstandard Fri, 03 Oct 2008 20:25:24 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=3231#comment-92414 Oh alright then http://www.thestandard.org.nz/insulting/ Oh alright then

http://www.thestandard.org.nz/insulting/

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