Rhetoric & Reality 3: Crime

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1. Ag 1

   8 June 2009 at 12:18 pm

   They wouldn’t pull this trick if it wasn’t a reliable vote getter. People are stupid enough to fall for it, so they get the idiotic, authoritarian government they deserve.
   • Mr Magoo 1.1

     8 June 2009 at 12:44 pm

     I used to think this, but to be honest with our media the way they are and spin doctoring happening at such a corrupt and polished level I am not sure this is fair anymore.

     Yes NZers are mostly responsible for not holding our politicians to account and being led by the nose from media too easily. But they are up against millions of dollars and research and so forth.

     Saying someone “deserves” anything is a tenuous proposition most of the time I guess.
2. Ianmac 2

   8 June 2009 at 12:22 pm

   Sadly, when the stats are reported honestly in the months to come, guess who will claim success for the “improvement”?
3. Tigger 3

   8 June 2009 at 12:40 pm

   But National has proposed a brilliant strategy of building more motorways – surely this will curb the rising tide of lawlessness in our nation…?
4. Nick 4

   8 June 2009 at 12:40 pm

   Hey Jonkey, I am so f*****g bored. Do somehing useful.
5. randal 5

   8 June 2009 at 12:47 pm

   hi nick.
   so am I.
   all keys can do is tell porkies,
   commit crimes against the english language and run off like an ambulance chasing divorce lawyer.
   the guy thinks he’s still a big swinging dick at merril lynch or something.
6. StephenR 6

   8 June 2009 at 1:23 pm

   The voices speaking out against National’s propaganda campaign were too few. Victoria University felt moved to debunk two of Key’s alarmist claims (‘Violent youth crime is at an all-time high’…

   Where do they do that?

   P.S. that link is broken.
   • r0b 6.1

     8 June 2009 at 1:29 pm

     If you google both the quotes you find it here:

     http://www.nzherald.co.nz/victoria-university/news/article.cfm?o_id=352&objectid=10495330

     (The broken link in OP seems to be correct except for extra junk at the end)
7. Ianmac 7

   8 June 2009 at 1:27 pm

   John Key responded to reporters on TV as he stepped out of a building re his changing his mind about meeting the Auckland woman. He said something like: ” I mean. It would not be reasonable for a Prime Minister to meet her would it without….” Just paraphrased but isn’t that a dopey thing to say? A PM is too important to meet a lowly person?????
8. StephenR 8

   8 June 2009 at 1:55 pm

   thanks rob, sometimes i can only be bothered going so far with my researching
9. George D 9

   8 June 2009 at 2:23 pm

   When did Labour ever stand up against this nonsense?
   • r0b 9.1

     8 June 2009 at 2:42 pm

     I’m sure they made the odd press release on the facts at the time, but I doubt if there was a strong enough rebuttal. The right always do rabid better than the left! Ironically, it seems like Labour waited until after the election to rebut, Fall in murder rate in past nine years encouraging:

     An annual murder rate that declined by almost 15 percent during the past nine years proves false claims by the Government that Labour was soft on crime, says Labour law and order spokesperson Clayton Cosgrove.

     “If you listened to what National said, particularly in the two years leading up to the election, and if you paid heed to what some of the bloggers were saying, you might well have believed our streets were paved with danger,’ Clayton Cosgrove said.

     “That was simply not true. While every murder remains a tragedy, the rate of murders per million people has, in fact, halved since the mid-1980s.

     “The reality is that the number of murders hardly fluctuates at all from year to year, and that’s why it was so sickening that National, aided and abetted by some commentators and bloggers, so dishonestly built the picture last year of our streets not being safe for New Zealanders.’
     …
     “The overall crime rate is not getting worse in New Zealand. The fear-mongers in our society, led by right-wing bloggers and senior National politicians who should know better, have much to answer for. If society is more afraid than it used to be, such fear is often driven by perception, not reality.
10. Rex Widerstrom 10

    8 June 2009 at 3:35 pm

    Thank you, anaonymous author, for yet again raising this issue here. Would that more media did so, especially the MSM.

    Ag is right in that politicians resort to this sort of manipulation regularly, and voters fall for it. But voters don’t have the time and resources to undertake even a cursory analysis of what they’re told by politicians – that’s supposedly the role of the Fourth Estate.

    So when a politician – and they all do it – says “we’re facing a crime wave” the correct response as a journalist is:

    1. Note the statement and the statistics (if any) used to back the assertion.
    2. Undertake your own research to tes the validity of the statement.
    3. Seek at least one (and preferably several) comments from “experts” (e.g. criminologists, statisticians etc. not other politicians).
    4. Contact the maker of the statement and challenge them on any inaccuracies and record their response.
    5. Then, if it’s thought necessary for the story, contact an opposing politician. However, if they resort to the “rising tide of crime” malarky, call them on it too.
    6. Write a story reporting the original statement but highlighting any provable inaccuracies and mentioning any doubts about its validity held by experts.

    However, all too often the media’s response amounts to:

    1. Slightly re-write press release.
    2. Add your byline.
    3. Ask Garth McVicar, add his comments to the bottom.
    4. If you’re TV, find a victim and get them to cry on camera.
    4. Profit!!

    It’s grabage and it’s time we, as consumers, called out the media every time they do this.
11. Craig 11

    8 June 2009 at 4:14 pm

    I have to agree with Rex the level of so called reporting is quite pathetic. Most of the political reporters are nothing more than PR writers for National at present.

    The level of actual policy evaluation and ability to identify the real issues is very low.

    But unless we start calling them on it we will continue to get it dished up day after day. The Herald is one of the worst offenders I think although Tvone morning breakfast is equally as bad.
12. The GSK 12

    8 June 2009 at 6:24 pm

    Over the weekend Ms Likely watched Big X in TGE. Companion was Master Probable who knew the 1960s master movie ans who had noticed the presence of probability – ie Mr Power’s utterance on RNZ about the “balance of probabilities” re innocence in the Bain decision and wondered how soon the word would catch on among the non-Cabinet hacks.. For whom a lack of certainty is otherwise hazardous

    Anyway, to Master Probable she was excited when Big X – escape supremo – declared to his compatriots that they would do everything by the book so much that they’d “put the goons to sleep”.

    “That’s it,” said she, as far as Nact are concerned the Opposition are the goons. Ignore them. else work around and without them.

    Classic case of… Friday on-air the eventual P-Mumbler: yeah, I’ll meet her. Then telling the staffer to put ’em off, anything to givim room. Then, later still what Deemac noted above.. about being back in his bubble and folks with legit complaints weren’t worth the trouble(pun intended)..

    But the point is is to have the P-Mumbler, henches and honchos continue believe ignore and ignorance wins..

    While a good turnout Saturday grounds reality.. and more folks knowing better.
13. The GSK 13

    8 June 2009 at 6:27 pm

    oops! should read Ianmac, not Deemac..
14. rave 14

    9 June 2009 at 12:35 am

    What John Key should have said on youth crime but couldnt … yet

    Yes melud I plead guilty to being a bankster raider.
    I beg to do community service for all those I have ripped off.
    I will restore to the workers all the wealth they have produced and my has class lived off for centuries.
    I will personally see that all the alienated youth have a decent home, school, health services and plenty of art galleries and race tracks.
    I will personally guarantee to deliver this reparation within my lifetime and that of my co-conspirator banksters.

    Of course melud is Comrade Melody of the peoples antifascist tribunal sitting on the case of Key vs the People at some date in the not far distant future.

    Captcha: profound allay [I have a machine for a comrade]

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