<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Reflections on Shawn Tan</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.thestandard.org.nz/reflections-on-shawn-tan/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/reflections-on-shawn-tan/?utm_source=rss&amp;utm_medium=rss&amp;utm_campaign=reflections-on-shawn-tan</link>
	<description>The New Zealand labour movement used to have its own newspaper. A group of us thought that now might be a good time for it to be digitally reborn: The Standard v2.0 - now in a new format The Standard v3.0</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 03:09:22 +1300</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: I/S re Act vs EPMU vis a vis Tan &#171; The Dim-Post</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/reflections-on-shawn-tan/#comment-82352</link>
		<dc:creator>I/S re Act vs EPMU vis a vis Tan &#171; The Dim-Post</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=2774#comment-82352</guid>
		<description>[...] to a particularly unseemly display of this, as left-wing bloggers who should know better have lined up to defend the right of bad employers to victimise their employees if they dare to run for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to a particularly unseemly display of this, as left-wing bloggers who should know better have lined up to defend the right of bad employers to victimise their employees if they dare to run for [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Swampy</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/reflections-on-shawn-tan/#comment-82333</link>
		<dc:creator>Swampy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=2774#comment-82333</guid>
		<description>The problem for both you, and Jafa, and the EPMU for that matter, is Little&#039;s repeated politically charged statements about Act&#039;s policies being against the interests of EPMU members.

The fact is there are quite likely to be other EPMU members who support the Act party, or for that matter the National Party or Winston First or even the Libertarianz... this is likely to be the case for every union in New Zealand due to the monopoly powers granted by the Employement Relations Act.

That such statements have been made, which are entirely and obviously political, and which are not based on factuality (a percentage of EPMU members, however small, more than likely are supporters of right wing parties), point to the fact that this matter is entirely about the politics of his decision.

That the EPMU has a contractural clause cannot not take away his right to freedom from political discrimination. If the EPMU chooses to pursue this matter, a lot more people will probably question their supposed third-party status than have up to now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem for both you, and Jafa, and the EPMU for that matter, is Little&#8217;s repeated politically charged statements about Act&#8217;s policies being against the interests of EPMU members.</p>
<p>The fact is there are quite likely to be other EPMU members who support the Act party, or for that matter the National Party or Winston First or even the Libertarianz&#8230; this is likely to be the case for every union in New Zealand due to the monopoly powers granted by the Employement Relations Act.</p>
<p>That such statements have been made, which are entirely and obviously political, and which are not based on factuality (a percentage of EPMU members, however small, more than likely are supporters of right wing parties), point to the fact that this matter is entirely about the politics of his decision.</p>
<p>That the EPMU has a contractural clause cannot not take away his right to freedom from political discrimination. If the EPMU chooses to pursue this matter, a lot more people will probably question their supposed third-party status than have up to now.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Tim Ellis</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/reflections-on-shawn-tan/#comment-82240</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 02:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=2774#comment-82240</guid>
		<description>A fascinating response from John Drinnan.

I think about the only outcome from the EPMU can be: &quot;We welcome Shawn Tan&#039;s decision to stand for parliamentary office.  The EPMU is an organisation that is actively involved in politics, and a range of people who support different political parties are involved in our union.  Shawn Tan is free to continue to work at the EPMU if he does not wish to take time off for campaigning.  If he does wish to take time off to campaign, then he has the choice to take unpaid leave between now and the election.&quot;

Anything else looks like the EPMU are bullying him out of a job because of his political views.  I agree with several other people that Shawn Tan seems like he&#039;s a bit of a flake--anybody flip-flopping around like he does between parties is a bit suspect.  But that has nothing to do with his job competence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A fascinating response from John Drinnan.</p>
<p>I think about the only outcome from the EPMU can be: &#8220;We welcome Shawn Tan&#8217;s decision to stand for parliamentary office.  The EPMU is an organisation that is actively involved in politics, and a range of people who support different political parties are involved in our union.  Shawn Tan is free to continue to work at the EPMU if he does not wish to take time off for campaigning.  If he does wish to take time off to campaign, then he has the choice to take unpaid leave between now and the election.&#8221;</p>
<p>Anything else looks like the EPMU are bullying him out of a job because of his political views.  I agree with several other people that Shawn Tan seems like he&#8217;s a bit of a flake&#8211;anybody flip-flopping around like he does between parties is a bit suspect.  But that has nothing to do with his job competence.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: John Drinnan</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/reflections-on-shawn-tan/#comment-82233</link>
		<dc:creator>John Drinnan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 02:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=2774#comment-82233</guid>
		<description>The union is in a difficult place with Shawn Tan. Clearly there are questions about his employment and the radical turnaround in his politics. But Andrew Little&#039;s comment on Natrad that politics would be a factor in his employment are worrying. This issue is particular sensative with journalists who claim political neutrality but are paying fees to an organisation that is trying to be registered as a third party to assist the vote for Labour. Thats one problem - which the epmu skirts around. Now it seems we may be paying for an organisation that decides which parties its staff can support. The question whyetehr I pay union fees to an organisation that will only hire staff who back Labour or the Greens. It is also who owns the union - a political party and its workers - some or whom are no doubt on this blog anonymously - or its members.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The union is in a difficult place with Shawn Tan. Clearly there are questions about his employment and the radical turnaround in his politics. But Andrew Little&#8217;s comment on Natrad that politics would be a factor in his employment are worrying. This issue is particular sensative with journalists who claim political neutrality but are paying fees to an organisation that is trying to be registered as a third party to assist the vote for Labour. Thats one problem &#8211; which the epmu skirts around. Now it seems we may be paying for an organisation that decides which parties its staff can support. The question whyetehr I pay union fees to an organisation that will only hire staff who back Labour or the Greens. It is also who owns the union &#8211; a political party and its workers &#8211; some or whom are no doubt on this blog anonymously &#8211; or its members.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Daveski</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/reflections-on-shawn-tan/#comment-82207</link>
		<dc:creator>Daveski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 01:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=2774#comment-82207</guid>
		<description>I&#039;m generally critical of SP&#039;s postings but I thought this was bang on the mark.  

Tan comes across flaky while the EPMU has followed the rules but looks far from smart.

Where I disagree entirely with many comments is the ingrained view that ACT and other parties can&#039;t do anything for the &quot;workers&quot;.  With more successful businesses, things won&#039;t improve for employees.  There must be checks and balances but fundamentally without business growth this is no growth for employees.

There is a real distinct between &quot;workers&#039; rights&quot; and union rights which aren&#039;t necessarily the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m generally critical of SP&#8217;s postings but I thought this was bang on the mark.  </p>
<p>Tan comes across flaky while the EPMU has followed the rules but looks far from smart.</p>
<p>Where I disagree entirely with many comments is the ingrained view that ACT and other parties can&#8217;t do anything for the &#8220;workers&#8221;.  With more successful businesses, things won&#8217;t improve for employees.  There must be checks and balances but fundamentally without business growth this is no growth for employees.</p>
<p>There is a real distinct between &#8220;workers&#8217; rights&#8221; and union rights which aren&#8217;t necessarily the same thing.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/reflections-on-shawn-tan/#comment-82156</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=2774#comment-82156</guid>
		<description>I cannot believe that Shawn Tan has the temerity to accept a wage from low-paid workers on the one hand while advocating against them by his candidacy for the ACT party on the other. How on earth can you work for a union while standing for Parliament in a party that essentially wants to eliminate unions?

I don&#039;t think he has any integrity at all based on his fickle political allegiances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot believe that Shawn Tan has the temerity to accept a wage from low-paid workers on the one hand while advocating against them by his candidacy for the ACT party on the other. How on earth can you work for a union while standing for Parliament in a party that essentially wants to eliminate unions?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think he has any integrity at all based on his fickle political allegiances.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Not so Savant &#171; Jafapete&#8217;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/reflections-on-shawn-tan/#comment-82147</link>
		<dc:creator>Not so Savant &#171; Jafapete&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=2774#comment-82147</guid>
		<description>[...] to a particularly unseemly display of this, as left-wing bloggers who should know better have lined up to defend the right of bad employers to victimise their employees if they dare to run for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to a particularly unseemly display of this, as left-wing bloggers who should know better have lined up to defend the right of bad employers to victimise their employees if they dare to run for [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: A Beautiful Distance</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/reflections-on-shawn-tan/#comment-82143</link>
		<dc:creator>A Beautiful Distance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=2774#comment-82143</guid>
		<description>A Champagne Lunch:  

That&#039;s what is in store for Tan&#039;s attorney after a Tribunal Hearing. What a ham-fisted bunch your Trades Union must be if they insert a clause in their OWN employment agreements which contravenes the majority of human rights legislation in the western world! 

Then, there is the process: If it is sadly true that the union chief has broad-emailed the membership, any rights owed the unfortunate employee have been abrogated by the public airing now given them!


I know nothing about &quot;ACT&quot; but it is beyond belief that any political party would stand on a platform of removing anyone&#039;s rights, be they workers&#039;, etc... You are surely kidding to argue this is the reality?

I think the Union is in for a blast from the Judge/Adjudicator who has this tacky mess placed before him/her! Given the Union&#039;s desire to broadcast the circumstances, I wager the Media will be at the courthouse door to report the outcome. Red for embarrassment I suggest!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Champagne Lunch:  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s what is in store for Tan&#8217;s attorney after a Tribunal Hearing. What a ham-fisted bunch your Trades Union must be if they insert a clause in their OWN employment agreements which contravenes the majority of human rights legislation in the western world! </p>
<p>Then, there is the process: If it is sadly true that the union chief has broad-emailed the membership, any rights owed the unfortunate employee have been abrogated by the public airing now given them!</p>
<p>I know nothing about &#8220;ACT&#8221; but it is beyond belief that any political party would stand on a platform of removing anyone&#8217;s rights, be they workers&#8217;, etc&#8230; You are surely kidding to argue this is the reality?</p>
<p>I think the Union is in for a blast from the Judge/Adjudicator who has this tacky mess placed before him/her! Given the Union&#8217;s desire to broadcast the circumstances, I wager the Media will be at the courthouse door to report the outcome. Red for embarrassment I suggest!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: randal</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/reflections-on-shawn-tan/#comment-82140</link>
		<dc:creator>randal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=2774#comment-82140</guid>
		<description>who cares about a catspaw like tan...gone by morning tea...bye bye</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who cares about a catspaw like tan&#8230;gone by morning tea&#8230;bye bye</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: monkey boy</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/reflections-on-shawn-tan/#comment-82132</link>
		<dc:creator>monkey boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=2774#comment-82132</guid>
		<description>CJH balance is a very threatening concept to some. Good luck all the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CJH balance is a very threatening concept to some. Good luck all the same.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: CJH</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/reflections-on-shawn-tan/#comment-82125</link>
		<dc:creator>CJH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=2774#comment-82125</guid>
		<description>And how does that explain the email sent by Andrew to all EMPU members about the situation? How is that acting in a dispute in a confidential way?  

I would love to see the uproar here if this was the opposite scenario. Be honest boys, you would be screaming bloody murder if somebody got fired or suspended for running for Labour/Greens etc. You would go on about political freedoms being raped etc etc....

Sheesh. Balance please?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And how does that explain the email sent by Andrew to all EMPU members about the situation? How is that acting in a dispute in a confidential way?  </p>
<p>I would love to see the uproar here if this was the opposite scenario. Be honest boys, you would be screaming bloody murder if somebody got fired or suspended for running for Labour/Greens etc. You would go on about political freedoms being raped etc etc&#8230;.</p>
<p>Sheesh. Balance please?!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Benodic</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/reflections-on-shawn-tan/#comment-82124</link>
		<dc:creator>Benodic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=2774#comment-82124</guid>
		<description>Dean you&#039;re getting boring too. How many times are you going to drag that out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean you&#8217;re getting boring too. How many times are you going to drag that out?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Dean</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/reflections-on-shawn-tan/#comment-82115</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=2774#comment-82115</guid>
		<description>roger:

&quot;You need to learn how to condense/distill your arguments.&quot;

You need to figure out the difference between before tax and after tax income, too, but I don&#039;t see you doing so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>roger:</p>
<p>&#8220;You need to learn how to condense/distill your arguments.&#8221;</p>
<p>You need to figure out the difference between before tax and after tax income, too, but I don&#8217;t see you doing so.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: monkey boy</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/reflections-on-shawn-tan/#comment-82106</link>
		<dc:creator>monkey boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 08:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=2774#comment-82106</guid>
		<description>randal and eger, Thank you both for those insightful contributions to, I don&#039;t know, something or other... randal your last post is classic. You will be joining the hall of fame which so far includes sonic (who inspired the name &#039;Monkeys with Typewriters&#039;) and, &#039;eger moron&#039;, with his rather Freudian (I thought) &#039;sausage-fingers&#039; jibe. Thanks boys, you are a chuckle-a-minute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>randal and eger, Thank you both for those insightful contributions to, I don&#8217;t know, something or other&#8230; randal your last post is classic. You will be joining the hall of fame which so far includes sonic (who inspired the name &#8216;Monkeys with Typewriters&#8217;) and, &#8216;eger moron&#8217;, with his rather Freudian (I thought) &#8217;sausage-fingers&#8217; jibe. Thanks boys, you are a chuckle-a-minute.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: monkey boy</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/reflections-on-shawn-tan/#comment-82105</link>
		<dc:creator>monkey boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 07:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=2774#comment-82105</guid>
		<description>Lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
