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	<title>Comments on: Pulling up the ladder behind her</title>
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		<title>By: George D</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/pulling-up-the-ladder-behind-her/#comment-142491</link>
		<dc:creator>George D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 03:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pillay wasn&#039;t a great MP for Waitakere, unfortunately, so Bennett had a reasonable chance even before the swing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pillay wasn&#8217;t a great MP for Waitakere, unfortunately, so Bennett had a reasonable chance even before the swing.</p>
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		<title>By: logie97</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/pulling-up-the-ladder-behind-her/#comment-142185</link>
		<dc:creator>logie97</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 03:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If ever you want a ringing endorsement of an action that Mr Mallard made as minister talk to the principal of Taihape school.  The area was subject to school closures under Trevor and all the vitriol that went with that.  Now Taihape&#039;s schooling has been rationalised and the people there love it.  Well done Trevor and your ministry for a bit of vision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If ever you want a ringing endorsement of an action that Mr Mallard made as minister talk to the principal of Taihape school.  The area was subject to school closures under Trevor and all the vitriol that went with that.  Now Taihape&#8217;s schooling has been rationalised and the people there love it.  Well done Trevor and your ministry for a bit of vision.</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor Mallard</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/pulling-up-the-ladder-behind-her/#comment-142183</link>
		<dc:creator>Trevor Mallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure how to do this technically - but jarbury above :- Ginga 1 was away on thursday so I did act for him - and have done a bit more in the house generally since Michael Cullen left.

And to the guy below I&#039;ve been working pretty hard to see what influence we can have on government education policy rather than just trying to destroy Tolley. One example is the work this week in the select committee to see if we can use the Ombudsman to get to a point where there is an agreement to stop primary school league tables and thereby ensure professional buy-in to quality standards, not that the current proposals pass that test. For more on that see :-
http://blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/2009/06/11/education-standards-who-are-they-for/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure how to do this technically &#8211; but jarbury above :- Ginga 1 was away on thursday so I did act for him &#8211; and have done a bit more in the house generally since Michael Cullen left.</p>
<p>And to the guy below I&#8217;ve been working pretty hard to see what influence we can have on government education policy rather than just trying to destroy Tolley. One example is the work this week in the select committee to see if we can use the Ombudsman to get to a point where there is an agreement to stop primary school league tables and thereby ensure professional buy-in to quality standards, not that the current proposals pass that test. For more on that see :-<br />
<a href="http://blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/2009/06/11/education-standards-who-are-they-for/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/2009/06/11/education-standards-who-are-they-for/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Trevor Mallard</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/pulling-up-the-ladder-behind-her/#comment-142182</link>
		<dc:creator>Trevor Mallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I apologised immediately - more than Ministers who make mistakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I apologised immediately &#8211; more than Ministers who make mistakes.</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor Mallard</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/pulling-up-the-ladder-behind-her/#comment-142181</link>
		<dc:creator>Trevor Mallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cullen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cullen?</p>
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		<title>By: Irascible</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/pulling-up-the-ladder-behind-her/#comment-142161</link>
		<dc:creator>Irascible</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An analysis of Key appointees would put Bennett on the same scale of competence as Lee and Worth. 
All appointed because they fitted a PR profile rather than any indications of competence or practical experience. 
Mind you, from what we&#039;ve seen on the media, Key himself looks like a PR failure as well. His bumbling mumbling on TV &amp; Radio doesn&#039;t give any listener confidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An analysis of Key appointees would put Bennett on the same scale of competence as Lee and Worth.<br />
All appointed because they fitted a PR profile rather than any indications of competence or practical experience.<br />
Mind you, from what we&#8217;ve seen on the media, Key himself looks like a PR failure as well. His bumbling mumbling on TV &amp; Radio doesn&#8217;t give any listener confidence.</p>
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		<title>By: gingercrush</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/pulling-up-the-ladder-behind-her/#comment-142158</link>
		<dc:creator>gingercrush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And how lovely.A new Roy Morgan poll which has National&#039;s coalition steady While Labour is up 2% showing Goff is likely getting more exposure. So good signs for both sides. Though Greens falling 1% is a concern. It could point to Labour&#039;s vote growing at the expense of the Greens. 

But what is even more pleasing: &lt;i&gt;The Roy Morgan Government Confidence Rating is at 150.5 (up 5 points) with 69% (up 3.5%) of New Zealanders saying New Zealand is ‘heading in the right direction’ compared to only 18.5% (down 1.5%) that say New Zealand is ‘heading in the wrong direction.’&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And how lovely.A new Roy Morgan poll which has National&#8217;s coalition steady While Labour is up 2% showing Goff is likely getting more exposure. So good signs for both sides. Though Greens falling 1% is a concern. It could point to Labour&#8217;s vote growing at the expense of the Greens. </p>
<p>But what is even more pleasing: <i>The Roy Morgan Government Confidence Rating is at 150.5 (up 5 points) with 69% (up 3.5%) of New Zealanders saying New Zealand is ‘heading in the right direction’ compared to only 18.5% (down 1.5%) that say New Zealand is ‘heading in the wrong direction.’</i></p>
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		<title>By: gingercrush</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/pulling-up-the-ladder-behind-her/#comment-142157</link>
		<dc:creator>gingercrush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;ll find New Zealand will come out of recession in better shape than many of those other countries. As those economies are experiencing some recovery signs so too is our economy. Its also unlikely our unemployment rate will be anywhere near to what other countries are experiencing. We were always in better shape than others to combat the world-wide recession. 

We are of course dependent on those countries to recover since exports are that important. And unlike Australia we don&#039;t have minerals that have largely shielded them from this recession. I also think its too early to say the US and Europe are recovering. They have huge debt problems that will cause problems in the future. They&#039;ve got some helpful signs but considering many countries dollars are faring far better against the US dollar surely signals weaknesses the US economy still has. I will say the US is out of the worse they were. Some will say that is because of the stimulus packages they had. I can&#039;t agree with that. That is the market sorting it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;ll find New Zealand will come out of recession in better shape than many of those other countries. As those economies are experiencing some recovery signs so too is our economy. Its also unlikely our unemployment rate will be anywhere near to what other countries are experiencing. We were always in better shape than others to combat the world-wide recession. </p>
<p>We are of course dependent on those countries to recover since exports are that important. And unlike Australia we don&#8217;t have minerals that have largely shielded them from this recession. I also think its too early to say the US and Europe are recovering. They have huge debt problems that will cause problems in the future. They&#8217;ve got some helpful signs but considering many countries dollars are faring far better against the US dollar surely signals weaknesses the US economy still has. I will say the US is out of the worse they were. Some will say that is because of the stimulus packages they had. I can&#8217;t agree with that. That is the market sorting it out.</p>
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		<title>By: gingercrush</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/pulling-up-the-ladder-behind-her/#comment-142156</link>
		<dc:creator>gingercrush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As opposed to your constant fawning over how fucking amazing Labour are?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As opposed to your constant fawning over how fucking amazing Labour are?</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal's bookie</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/pulling-up-the-ladder-behind-her/#comment-142155</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal's bookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it will to early to be seeing much difference in 2011, but I do think that the fact that there will be a large number of countries approaching things from a different ideological framework will count for something. 

When we had rogernomics and ruthenasia, these were considered close to best practice. There Is No Alternative, and so on. That&#039;s not the case now, and the memories of how that was, are still potent. 

I think that &#039;no privatisation in the first term&#039; phrase might come back to bite the Nats a bit. If they signal a turn toward neoliberal solutions in the second term, when no one else in the world is trying them, they&#039;ve got a hard sell. Labour and the Greens will be able to point to alternatives this time around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it will to early to be seeing much difference in 2011, but I do think that the fact that there will be a large number of countries approaching things from a different ideological framework will count for something. </p>
<p>When we had rogernomics and ruthenasia, these were considered close to best practice. There Is No Alternative, and so on. That&#8217;s not the case now, and the memories of how that was, are still potent. </p>
<p>I think that &#8216;no privatisation in the first term&#8217; phrase might come back to bite the Nats a bit. If they signal a turn toward neoliberal solutions in the second term, when no one else in the world is trying them, they&#8217;ve got a hard sell. Labour and the Greens will be able to point to alternatives this time around.</p>
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		<title>By: gingercrush</title>
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		<dc:creator>gingercrush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Waitakere is one of the more marginal seats for National. So undoubtedly if National loses favour (which it surely must from 2008 since if it grows anymoreBennett will lose  support its going to get an outright majority) Waitakere will be on the line. But there is a real advantage in being a Cabinet Minister. So while I would agree its highly possible Bennett will lose Waitakere. A high list placing which I think she&#039;ll get should help her. 

if failure is losing your electorate seat. Then it certainly didn&#039;t hurt Darren Hughes or Steve Chadwick in 2008 and David Parker in 2005.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Waitakere is one of the more marginal seats for National. So undoubtedly if National loses favour (which it surely must from 2008 since if it grows anymoreBennett will lose  support its going to get an outright majority) Waitakere will be on the line. But there is a real advantage in being a Cabinet Minister. So while I would agree its highly possible Bennett will lose Waitakere. A high list placing which I think she&#8217;ll get should help her. </p>
<p>if failure is losing your electorate seat. Then it certainly didn&#8217;t hurt Darren Hughes or Steve Chadwick in 2008 and David Parker in 2005.</p>
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		<title>By: gingercrush</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/pulling-up-the-ladder-behind-her/#comment-142153</link>
		<dc:creator>gingercrush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. Anderton is more likely to go. He can rest easy with implementing an economic development portfolio that in many ways helped the provinces from 1999-2002. And of course there is Kiwibank. Labour seems to think it was them that created that bank. Had it not been for Anderton&#039;s influence, Kiwibank wouldn&#039;t exist.

Of course Anderton hasn&#039;t had that influence for a long time. He&#039;s essentially a single MP that really should just be part of Labour.

Dunne will stay as long as National is in power. I think National will want him to stay. More moderate than Act. Whilst he is unlikely to give National any number outside of his own seat. He can bridge the gap between Act and National. That is itself important in National&#039;s coalition arrangements. Though National will need to get the message out that their supporters should vote Dunne and not Shanks. Since all that does is give Chauvel a better chance at winning Ohariu. Indeed he gained 2, 500 more votes than he did in 2005. Likely the only Labour member to have done so in 2008.

Its likely some of that was because Dunne declared he&#039;d work with National only. But regardless it was a real achievement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. Anderton is more likely to go. He can rest easy with implementing an economic development portfolio that in many ways helped the provinces from 1999-2002. And of course there is Kiwibank. Labour seems to think it was them that created that bank. Had it not been for Anderton&#8217;s influence, Kiwibank wouldn&#8217;t exist.</p>
<p>Of course Anderton hasn&#8217;t had that influence for a long time. He&#8217;s essentially a single MP that really should just be part of Labour.</p>
<p>Dunne will stay as long as National is in power. I think National will want him to stay. More moderate than Act. Whilst he is unlikely to give National any number outside of his own seat. He can bridge the gap between Act and National. That is itself important in National&#8217;s coalition arrangements. Though National will need to get the message out that their supporters should vote Dunne and not Shanks. Since all that does is give Chauvel a better chance at winning Ohariu. Indeed he gained 2, 500 more votes than he did in 2005. Likely the only Labour member to have done so in 2008.</p>
<p>Its likely some of that was because Dunne declared he&#8217;d work with National only. But regardless it was a real achievement.</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal's bookie</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/pulling-up-the-ladder-behind-her/#comment-142152</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal's bookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It is interesting how Act have never recovered to the 5-8% levels they had in the 1996-2005 era.&lt;/i&gt;

&#039;No Brash, No cash&#039; was probably a part of it as funding shifted back to National. They also lost a lot of the original behind the scenes players from the then Employers Federation. They got quite a bit nuttier for a while, flirting with the fundies and talking about &#039;gun rights&#039; and &#039;Lauren Order&#039;. That loss of focus on economic liberalism changed the perception of the party I think. Hide&#039;s &#039;perk busting&#039; phase of small scandal crusading was another symptom of them losing their purist &#039;serious thinker&#039; image.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It is interesting how Act have never recovered to the 5-8% levels they had in the 1996-2005 era.</i></p>
<p>&#8216;No Brash, No cash&#8217; was probably a part of it as funding shifted back to National. They also lost a lot of the original behind the scenes players from the then Employers Federation. They got quite a bit nuttier for a while, flirting with the fundies and talking about &#8216;gun rights&#8217; and &#8216;Lauren Order&#8217;. That loss of focus on economic liberalism changed the perception of the party I think. Hide&#8217;s &#8216;perk busting&#8217; phase of small scandal crusading was another symptom of them losing their purist &#8217;serious thinker&#8217; image.</p>
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		<title>By: gingercrush</title>
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		<dc:creator>gingercrush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well of course Labour never suffered a defeat like National did in 2002. I&#039;m not suggesting that. I merely point out that National was able to get a bigger percentage than what Labour could get in 2002.  No single party in parliament has been able to get the numbers National received in 2008 in a MMP environment. Indeed even with the disaster that was 2002 for National, Labour still didn&#039;t get 44%+National did defeat Labour of course. By some of the sentiment here you&#039;d think National merely squeaked in. That isn&#039;t the case. National had a sizable win. Was it a win like in Mt. Albert? No. It was still a considerable win.

From your estimation f Bennett you&#039;d think Pillay would have defeated her with a 3000+ majority. As that didn&#039;t happen. You&#039;re underestimating her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well of course Labour never suffered a defeat like National did in 2002. I&#8217;m not suggesting that. I merely point out that National was able to get a bigger percentage than what Labour could get in 2002.  No single party in parliament has been able to get the numbers National received in 2008 in a MMP environment. Indeed even with the disaster that was 2002 for National, Labour still didn&#8217;t get 44%+National did defeat Labour of course. By some of the sentiment here you&#8217;d think National merely squeaked in. That isn&#8217;t the case. National had a sizable win. Was it a win like in Mt. Albert? No. It was still a considerable win.</p>
<p>From your estimation f Bennett you&#8217;d think Pillay would have defeated her with a 3000+ majority. As that didn&#8217;t happen. You&#8217;re underestimating her.</p>
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		<title>By: jarbury</title>
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		<dc:creator>jarbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carmel Sepuloni as the candidate for Manurewa at the next election? George Hawkins is getting on a bit right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carmel Sepuloni as the candidate for Manurewa at the next election? George Hawkins is getting on a bit right?</p>
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