Got your doctor’s note?

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1. Chuck 1

   24 August 2010 at 11:44 am

   …from a government that has no understanding of efficient use of scarce resources and thinks that workers are all scumbags who need a good kicking.

   But not before they pay tax or make employers rich. Very important that. Always get mule to do work first, before beating it to death.
   • mcflock 1.1

     24 August 2010 at 5:36 pm

     “Always get mule to do work first, before beating it to death.”

     outstanding!
2. g-sus 2

   24 August 2010 at 11:57 am

   they also seem to expect that appointments will be free that day…. I mean whats the point when the reality is that yr doc will say ‘sure I can fit you in next Tuesday’…
   • Lanthanide 2.1

     24 August 2010 at 12:10 pm

     Every time I’ve been sick and needed to see a doctor, I’ve managed to get an appointment on the same day without any problems. Maybe I’m just lucky, though. I also don’t live in Auckland.
   • Deborah Kean 2.2

     25 August 2010 at 5:12 pm

     Absolutely true, g-sus! It’s always the case with my local…
3. Bill 3

   24 August 2010 at 12:01 pm

   It’s got nothing to do with the Nats thinking workers throw sickies.

   It’s about the scum employers (as opposed to the good ones) getting off on paying a wage for time not spent at work. They don’t believe you will be frightened into going to work. They don’t care either way. The point is a simple one.

   No sick note will equal time off without pay…or a pull down on holidays owing.

   And if borderline income forces you into work and workmates get sick, then hey.

   The reality is that sick leave provision in NZ is pathetically inadequate anyway. Apparently no worker gets sick in the first 6 months of employment. If they do, tough. No pay.

   And women with children…and it’s women who are more inclined to look after sick family members…gets no more sick leave provision than anyone else.

   I admit to getting a bit sickened by the response to this whole ‘fire at will’ crap. eg.

   1. Why aren’t the inadequacies of current sick leave provisions being high lighted and a better deal being demanded as opposed to rather pathetic whimperings of how the changes are not very fair as though what we’ve got is worth a shit.

   2. Why isn’t a robust demand for a living wage…not a minimum wage…being pushed for as a response to the idea that annual leave could be traded in for cash? Alternatively…or additionally…why are all wage claims not demanding a %age increase that equates to a week of leave that is not negotiable and that sits separate from all other wage demands?
   • Bright Red 3.1

     24 August 2010 at 12:37 pm

     was isn’t Bill writing a guest post, rather than complaining that nobody writes what he would write?
     • Bill 3.1.1

       24 August 2010 at 2:20 pm

       And just where the fuck was it exactly that I complained that Marty ( or anyone else) wasn’t writing what I would write?

       Are you suggesting that not being in agreement with every aspect or assertion of a post, and submitting alternative thoughts or perspectives in the comments is the same as complaining that ‘no-body’ is writing what I would write?

       Evidently, you’re a pathetic whining little ‘lock-step loving’ little git. And don’t go fucking complaining that I haven’t written what you’d have written on that front. Okay?
4. Alex 4

   24 August 2010 at 12:21 pm

   I’m a GP. We cannot cope with the number of people we need to see who are unwell. What sort of ridiculousness is it to insist people see a doctor for a medical certificate if they are not unwell, or need one day off?

   Who will pay for the people that cannot get appointments and end up in hiospital because our waiting rooms are full of the well seeking a note?

   It’s insulting and infantalising and bloody stupid. What’s so wrong about BELIEVING adults?
   • The Voice of Reason 4.1

     25 August 2010 at 7:49 pm

     I think it’s because they don’t see us as adults, just malfunctioning labour units.
5. Lats 5

   24 August 2010 at 12:38 pm

   It’ll result in some enterprising GP’s setting up shop selling medical certificates. Front up at the local clinic, pay your $15, the receptionist will give you a pre-signed cert, and off you go. In and out in about 5 minutes without seeing a doctor. At least, that’s what I’d do. Easy money.
6. The Voice of Reason 6

   24 August 2010 at 1:39 pm

   “How many workers who are sick will balk at the cost of going to the GP for a note and go to work instead, risking their health and that of their workmates?”

   My recollection is that Wilkinson said the boss would have to pay, not the worker. I presume that was a mistake and not what she intended. As presented, this proposal only changes the current arrangement slightly, by removing the requirement that the boss had to have ‘reasonable grounds’ to suspect cheating. If they had reasonable grounds, they could, under the current law, require a doctors note.

   It’s also worth noting that the boss has to pay reasonable expenses involved in getting the sick note. Usually that will be the taxi fare, because if you are too sick to work, you’re too sick to drive. I can’t see too many bosses stumping up for both the doc and the cabbie, so this is clearly a poorly thought out faux change, which has not been asked for by any sane boss.
   • Lanthanide 6.1

     24 August 2010 at 3:04 pm

     “because if you are too sick to work, you’re too sick to drive”
     Urm, not really. It is very easy to be too sick to work but still be able to drive. Particularly if you are concerned about infecting everyone else in the office.
     • The Voice of Reason 6.1.1

       24 August 2010 at 3:16 pm

       I was making a suggestion for what you should say when the boss tells you he wants a doctor’s note. “hey boss, I’m happy to do it, but it’s going to cost you $40 for the doc and $40 for the cab. Do you still want me to go?”
7. Alex 7

   24 August 2010 at 2:04 pm

   Under the holidays Act if an employer wants a certificate after 1 day because, basically they suspect malingering, they have to pay for the consultation. You are not required to produce a certificate for 3 consecutive days otherwise.

   Quite a few employers though have a ‘policy’ of needing a note after 1 day. Of course what that usually means is 2 days off, one when sick and the other when you can finally get a non-urgent appointment with your GP to say you were sick last week…

   Stupid!
8. Dave 8

   24 August 2010 at 3:59 pm

   The saddest thing is the lowest paid occupations like hospitality/tourism and retail are the most affected as they deal with food, so, if they get any sort of contagious sickness (like diarrhoea) its going to cost them bigtime.

   the election can’t come quick enough
9. Mark 9

   24 August 2010 at 4:54 pm

   Can anyone post a link to a site that confirms that this IS actually one of Nationals plans? I’m sceptical? Marty G, how exactly did you ‘learn’ about this plan? I’ve looked through bills in the pipeline and have found nothing of this sort.
   • r0b 9.1

     24 August 2010 at 5:29 pm

     http://www.3news.co.nz/Workers-call-single-day-doctors-note-plan-a-joke/tabid/419/articleID/169128/Default.aspx
10. Cynical_Joker 10

    25 August 2010 at 2:38 pm

    A enterprising Medical centre should offer “Employer mandated same-day appointments” at $100+ each.
    As the employer would have to pay, that should close down this ridiculous law.

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