Fisking Farrar

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1. Daveo 1

   24 August 2009 at 12:48 pm

   Lowly bank auditor Tim Ellis has been running this line hard over at Red Alert, so no surprise to see Farrar jumping in with it this morning. They’ll be getting their lines from the same source.

   My favourite bit of the Farrar piece was where he says:

   One of the reasons I am not a Labour fan, is the parliamentary wing’s role as lobbyists for their union supporters.

   Yeah David, that’s why you don’t like Labour. FFS. Even his throwaway remarks are dishonest.
2. principessa 2

   24 August 2009 at 1:04 pm

   I laughed hard when he said that Businesses/Employers/Groups (like the EMA?) don’t join the National Party as a collective. No doubt they donate collectively though aye?- through the notorious Waitemata Trust!
   • Craig Glen Eden 2.1

     24 August 2009 at 1:42 pm

     A mate of mine is a CEO of a company, he went to a briefing by the EMA a while ago he said they did everything but hand round National Party membership forms.

     He told me that apparently Darian Fenton is was apparently the evil one that they should all watch out for. By the time it had finished he couldn’t wait to get out.

     So lets not pretend that the bosses don’t have unions and that the National party is not their political wing. I do however accept that just because some one is a boss that this does not make them a National voter as is the case with my friend.

     Farrar is just stupid I am sorry, if he wants to debate policy fine but some of us have been a round a bit longer than the blogging kid to believe his shiiiit!
3. Derek 3

   24 August 2009 at 1:15 pm

   If I was Farrar I wouldn’t use National’s relationship with Carter Holt Harvey as an example.

   Muldoon and Bolger’s connivance in passing regulations to cut a wage rise at Kinleith led to a bitter 80-day strike and lockout, with National backing CHH all the way. Eventually the workers won, but not without a massive, crippling strike.

   National is the party of the bosses. Always has been, always will be. Farrar knows this too, he just wraps it up in the mythology of Hayek and Friedman so he can sleep easier at night.
4. Loco Burro 4

   24 August 2009 at 1:26 pm

   Great post Eddie, DPF forgot to engage the brain before posting.
5. randal 5

   24 August 2009 at 1:44 pm

   this is just [Deleted] doing post modern politics.
   red queen stuff.
   it is what we say it is.
   now that the pm is going to give INSTRUCTIONS to the police over smacking do you think he is going to stop there?
6. ghostwhowalks 6

   24 August 2009 at 1:49 pm

   I wonder if they require a law change as it seems that they wont be independent contractors when all their work comes via Telecoms middlemans call centre and they give thedetails of when and how the work is done

   I seem to remember a debacle when Telecom had another middleman let contracts to do horizontal drilling for fibre optic cabling in suburban streets, they pulled the plug and the contractors were left high and dry with expensive equipment.
   • Mach1 6.1

     24 August 2009 at 2:11 pm

     I seem to remember a debacle when Telecom had another middleman let contracts to do horizontal drilling for fibre optic cabling in suburban streets, they pulled the plug and the contractors were left high and dry with expensive equipment.

     East coast bays and then there were the ex AEPB workers who were sold a pup.
7. Daveski 7

   24 August 2009 at 1:50 pm

   It would have been appropriate to at least acknowledge there is a clear conflict of interest here. Eddie’s had plenty of time to highlight National’s inconsistencies but fails to acknowledge the most obvious of the issues – that Labour’s President (??) is the person leading the EPMU charge.

   Put it this way, I can only imagine the howl of outrage were the roles reversed.

   Having said that, Telecom deserve everything they get for this. In an environment where businesses rightly need to consider the triple and even quadruple bottom line, stunts like this really give business a bad name.
   • Eddie 7.1

     24 August 2009 at 2:00 pm

     That’s because it’s not relevant. Andrew Little doesn’t run Labour’s policy, his job as president is to act as chairman of the board for the party organisation. He does that in a private capacity, not as an advocate for the EPMU.

     Farrar should know that, he lost a court case on this very issue.

     [I should also point out that in a democratic union it’s not a case of “a person leading the charge” on an issue. It’s the workers who lead the charge, and they decide that democratically. The role of paid union officials is to represent them and advocate for them.]
8. Leon Klarkski 8

   24 August 2009 at 2:31 pm

   so they formed a political party to represent the interests of labour in Parliament.

   The Labour Party doesn’t represent the interests of the workers. The workers are us tax payers, over-taxed to support the lifestyle choices of Labour’s actual constituency; the beneficiaries and the criminals.

   The role of paid union officials is to represent them and advocate for them.

   How far the theoretical diverges from the actual. In actuality, Union officials represent a hard-Left Marxist agenda, despite the fact that such is not in their membership’s interests.
   • Bright Red 8.1

     24 August 2009 at 2:52 pm

     yeah Leon, you nutbar – Andrew Little, described by business as a moderate, is a closet Marxist and only criminals and beneficiaries vote Labour, which is why the highest votes for Labour came from Wellington Central and Rongotai, both low crime and high employment areas.

     Why don’t you just say it? you mean you think only people with brown skin vote Labour. Scratch a tory, get a bigot.
   • Craig Glen Eden 8.2

     24 August 2009 at 2:57 pm

     What a load of shit Leon!

     You don’t deserve any response that is in any more depth however just so you can be a little better informed. I work for a Union for 8 years after the National party cut our wages and conditions in the public health system. Who stood up to the then National Government and its draconian employment contracts act and the bosses, it certainly was people like you buddy it was the union.

     In case you haven’t noticed under National you are still paying Taxes for the people you so obviously despise.If you don’t like it you can always leave.
9. Policy Parrot 9

   24 August 2009 at 3:18 pm

   Gee, David, it is called the “Labour” Party for a reason.

   It was formed to represent the interests of organised labour. Although, it hasn’t always done such a great job in recent decades, most of its activists and many of its parliamentarians do precisely that.

   Represent the interests of organised labour. Despite Mssrs. Edward’s and Trotter’s comments, the modern Labour party, does pay more than lip-service to this ideal.
10. QoT 10

    24 August 2009 at 3:29 pm

    I’m really failing to find the words to describe my reaction to this. It’s a kind of combination of headdesking, facepalming and monitorpunching.
11. Trevor Mallard 11

    24 August 2009 at 3:54 pm

    While it is hardly worth reponding to the penguin when he wears his Nat party hat in this way I think I should put on the record that I see no need to apologise for working with a union to try and save some of their members jobs. We do it all the time – not often as publicly as this.

    We are working on a bill which will help in this area – hope to have something out for comment over the next three weeks or so.
12. ConorJoe 12

    24 August 2009 at 4:26 pm

    Only Pengos friends can call him that Mr M.
    And National is called National for a reason QoT. Can’t imagine what it is though, shouldn’t have headdesked just before.
    • QoT 12.1

      24 August 2009 at 6:22 pm

      … I’m sure this made sense in your head, Conor, but d@mned if I can see the relation to my comment.
13. The Voice of Reason 13

    24 August 2009 at 4:33 pm

    Just came back from attending two Telecom workers’ protests. Both were well supported by the public, lots of petitions signed, lots of money raised. The workers seemed in good heart, even the older ones who have been through this bogus restructuring many times before.

    My favotite sign was Honk if you Hate Telecom. That got a fantastic response from motorists. The Progressive blue was won because the loss of public sympathy lead to a loss of market share and eventually knackered the company. Apparently Kiwi’s don’t like Aussies coming here and trying to drive our wages down. Funny that. Where do VisionScream come from again?

    Farrar is just a tool of the bosses and not that sharp a tool either.
14. lprent 14

    24 August 2009 at 7:09 pm

    Ummm. Whatever pills dpf is on sound rather interesting. I want to write some science fiction at some stage. I should locate a supply before they’re illegal.

    Drugs strong enough to imagine a universe that the Labour party is not interested in the labour movement could prove useful. Kind of like imagining merchant bankers who don’t asset strip or wingnuts with logical arguments.
    • luva 14.1

      24 August 2009 at 11:44 pm

      This really adds weight to your argument…well done.
15. Barnsley Bill 15

    24 August 2009 at 8:17 pm

    Putting aside the childish attacks on David.
    I fully supoort the staff affected, EPMU, labour and the Standard in its campaign to publicise this disgusting assault by Telecom and Visionstream.

    It offends me as a resident of this country that a large corporate would attempt this.
    These workers are being screwed royally. This is not a quality control issue and is nothing more than an attempt to break a collective agreement that helps to keep our phones working.
    Right now there are families in the town I live in that are facing their worst nightmares.
    Our phones went out at around 8.30 this morning. The overseas callcentre has done a great job setting up diversions for those of us who asked and told us that our phones would be out until 7p.m on Thursday. I am writing this because a team of technicians got the far north back up and running as fast as they could despite the fact that come next friday they are out of work. I cannot say I would have been working in a professional manner today if I had been them.

    Come next friday who is going to fix faults in the Far North?

    Oh, and take me off moderation now will you Lynn. How on earth can my conversion to the dark side be completed if I am still being treated like the red headed stepchild?
16. Batholomew Winstanley the III 16

    25 August 2009 at 1:09 am

    “I don’t know what it is about the word “Labour’ that the right finds so hard to understand.”

    That would be relevance i.e. the relevance of Labour to the majority of New Zealand voters.

    Quite simple really lads.

    Ball not the man eh.
17. Daveo 17

    25 August 2009 at 10:58 am

    David Farrar is in the pay of Telecom. Explains a lot.

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/05/qs_about_xt_mobile_network.html

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