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		<title>By: Matthew Pilott</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/budget-2008-analysis/#comment-47432</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Pilott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 04:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Sod!  I think Billy&#039;s after you again!  (or was it the other way around?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Sod!  I think Billy&#8217;s after you again!  (or was it the other way around?)</p>
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		<title>By: Billy</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/budget-2008-analysis/#comment-47431</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 04:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, despite the hair lip, incontinence and so on, I do look like a young Sophia Loren only hotter and more left wing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, despite the hair lip, incontinence and so on, I do look like a young Sophia Loren only hotter and more left wing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Pilott</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/budget-2008-analysis/#comment-47428</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Pilott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 04:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Billy,  I wouldn&#039;t recommend it to many people.  You&#039;d think with a description like that, it wouldn&#039;t leave a lot to the imagination.  It doesn&#039;t...

Highly recommended to a select few.

SP - Isn&#039;t this the new &lt;i&gt;it&lt;/i&gt; place to be seen in?  (you know that this looks like jealousy from you)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Billy,  I wouldn&#8217;t recommend it to many people.  You&#8217;d think with a description like that, it wouldn&#8217;t leave a lot to the imagination.  It doesn&#8217;t&#8230;</p>
<p>Highly recommended to a select few.</p>
<p>SP &#8211; Isn&#8217;t this the new <i>it</i> place to be seen in?  (you know that this looks like jealousy from you)</p>
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		<title>By: Billy</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/budget-2008-analysis/#comment-47410</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 04:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, but I have just read the plot summary at IMDb.  Implausably, it is:

&lt;i&gt;Gyorgy Palfi&#039;s grotesque tale of three generations of men, including an obese speed eater, an embalmer of gigantic cats, and a man who shoots fire out of his penis.&lt;/i&gt;

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0410730/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, but I have just read the plot summary at IMDb.  Implausably, it is:</p>
<p><i>Gyorgy Palfi&#8217;s grotesque tale of three generations of men, including an obese speed eater, an embalmer of gigantic cats, and a man who shoots fire out of his penis.</i></p>
<p><a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0410730/" rel="nofollow">http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0410730/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Pilott</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/budget-2008-analysis/#comment-47402</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Pilott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 04:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, Billy, I thought you looked rather handsome in that photo.  I suppose incontinence is hard to photograph.

Out of interest, have you seen the film &lt;i&gt;Taxidermia&lt;/i&gt;?  I think you described one of the main characters.

&lt;strong&gt;[Matthew, stop trying to pick up tories on the blog. SP]&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, Billy, I thought you looked rather handsome in that photo.  I suppose incontinence is hard to photograph.</p>
<p>Out of interest, have you seen the film <i>Taxidermia</i>?  I think you described one of the main characters.</p>
<p><strong>[Matthew, stop trying to pick up tories on the blog. SP]</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Pierson</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/budget-2008-analysis/#comment-47396</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Pierson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 03:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Billy. Are you Nick Smith?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Billy. Are you Nick Smith?</p>
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		<title>By: Billy</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/budget-2008-analysis/#comment-47395</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 03:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be unelectable, Matthew.  I have an appalling stutter, incontinence, a twitch, a hair lip and an eye patch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be unelectable, Matthew.  I have an appalling stutter, incontinence, a twitch, a hair lip and an eye patch.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Pilott</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/budget-2008-analysis/#comment-47390</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Pilott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 03:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm...  There is always that point.  Why can&#039;t you run for PM instead of Key?

Another guess, I couldn&#039;t say for sure.  Election or no, given every second story in the papers has been about food or petrol prices, and there&#039;s a lot of hurt from interest rates, there would be a big incentive to act.

If price increases have reduced discretionary spending, tax cuts aren&#039;t going to be as inflationary so I&#039;d say it&#039;s much better than even odds.

One big point though: I also think Labour are very smart operators, politically.  If they wanted to give tax cuts purely for political gain, don&#039;t you think they would have done so in the last budget, so by now we&#039;d have had almost two months of fatter pay cheques?  And perhaps another one to look forward to in April 2009 (they could have even brought that one forward to 1 Oct).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230;  There is always that point.  Why can&#8217;t you run for PM instead of Key?</p>
<p>Another guess, I couldn&#8217;t say for sure.  Election or no, given every second story in the papers has been about food or petrol prices, and there&#8217;s a lot of hurt from interest rates, there would be a big incentive to act.</p>
<p>If price increases have reduced discretionary spending, tax cuts aren&#8217;t going to be as inflationary so I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s much better than even odds.</p>
<p>One big point though: I also think Labour are very smart operators, politically.  If they wanted to give tax cuts purely for political gain, don&#8217;t you think they would have done so in the last budget, so by now we&#8217;d have had almost two months of fatter pay cheques?  And perhaps another one to look forward to in April 2009 (they could have even brought that one forward to 1 Oct).</p>
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		<title>By: Billy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 03:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Matthew, you reckon we would have been getting these tax cuts even if it weren&#039;t an election year?  I know it requires a guess, but what is yours?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Matthew, you reckon we would have been getting these tax cuts even if it weren&#8217;t an election year?  I know it requires a guess, but what is yours?</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Pilott</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/budget-2008-analysis/#comment-47347</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Pilott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 02:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happened to the strikeout of &quot;commies&quot;?  It looked far snazzier when that was there. &lt;b&gt;Other&lt;/b&gt; HTML seems to &lt;i&gt;work&lt;/i&gt;.  &lt;a href=&#039;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odd&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Odd.&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;[lprent: I&#039;m not sure - it always &lt;s&gt;worrks&lt;/s&gt; works for me.]&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happened to the strikeout of &#8220;commies&#8221;?  It looked far snazzier when that was there. <b>Other</b> HTML seems to <i>work</i>.  <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odd' rel="nofollow">Odd.</a></p>
<p><strong>[lprent: I'm not sure - it always <s>worrks</s> works for me.]</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Pilott</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/budget-2008-analysis/#comment-47323</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Pilott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 02:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;i&gt;Now, politically and for no other reason, he has to give them, even though by the criteria he set the conditions are much less favourable than at any time at least since 2004.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

I could just as equally say that he didn&#039;t budget tax cuts because they weren&#039;t needed and would have been inflationary. 

Now, as inflation on inelastic consumption has eroded our purchasing ability, Cullen comes through with the goods.

Our two viewpoints have a lot in common Billy - they&#039;re based upon assumptions, guesses and our opinion of the actors/agents involved.

There&#039;s not a lot of fact to clearly prove you&#039;re right and I&#039;m wrong, or vice versa; we&#039;re talking about motivations in the end.  

To illustrate:  Maybe, deep down, Cullen has been bursting at the seams (he is often bright red, to the point of vermillion, after all) to give us tax cuts, but conditions just weren&#039;t right - and now he&#039;s the happiest man in the land (deep down inside - on the outside he had to be somewhat begrudging to maintain the facade) because he&#039;s had the excuse to do so.

Redlogix:  shush, we&#039;re Godless commies Social Democrats, you&#039;ll confuse Billy by getting biblical...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i>Now, politically and for no other reason, he has to give them, even though by the criteria he set the conditions are much less favourable than at any time at least since 2004.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>I could just as equally say that he didn&#8217;t budget tax cuts because they weren&#8217;t needed and would have been inflationary. </p>
<p>Now, as inflation on inelastic consumption has eroded our purchasing ability, Cullen comes through with the goods.</p>
<p>Our two viewpoints have a lot in common Billy &#8211; they&#8217;re based upon assumptions, guesses and our opinion of the actors/agents involved.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s not a lot of fact to clearly prove you&#8217;re right and I&#8217;m wrong, or vice versa; we&#8217;re talking about motivations in the end.  </p>
<p>To illustrate:  Maybe, deep down, Cullen has been bursting at the seams (he is often bright red, to the point of vermillion, after all) to give us tax cuts, but conditions just weren&#8217;t right &#8211; and now he&#8217;s the happiest man in the land (deep down inside &#8211; on the outside he had to be somewhat begrudging to maintain the facade) because he&#8217;s had the excuse to do so.</p>
<p>Redlogix:  shush, we&#8217;re Godless commies Social Democrats, you&#8217;ll confuse Billy by getting biblical&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RedLogix</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/budget-2008-analysis/#comment-47273</link>
		<dc:creator>RedLogix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 00:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Here’s what I think. I think we could have afforded tax cuts in any of the years since 200. Cullen just didn’t want to give them because, being a socialist (or social democrat, if there is a difference) he doesn’t like tax cuts.&lt;/em&gt;

And in the seven years of plenty Joseph as Pharoah&#039;s chief minister could have cut taxes and allowed everyone to spend up large. He would have been most popular with the people. 

And in consequence during the seven years of famine, the people would have starved... and the good times would have meant nothing. This ancient story from the Old Testament pre-dates Keyensian economics by some 5000 years, but the moral of the story remains the same... self-control and restraint may not be popular, but it is ultimately life-giving.

(Seeing as how we are indulging in history here...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Here’s what I think. I think we could have afforded tax cuts in any of the years since 200. Cullen just didn’t want to give them because, being a socialist (or social democrat, if there is a difference) he doesn’t like tax cuts.</em></p>
<p>And in the seven years of plenty Joseph as Pharoah&#8217;s chief minister could have cut taxes and allowed everyone to spend up large. He would have been most popular with the people. </p>
<p>And in consequence during the seven years of famine, the people would have starved&#8230; and the good times would have meant nothing. This ancient story from the Old Testament pre-dates Keyensian economics by some 5000 years, but the moral of the story remains the same&#8230; self-control and restraint may not be popular, but it is ultimately life-giving.</p>
<p>(Seeing as how we are indulging in history here&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Billy</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/budget-2008-analysis/#comment-47259</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 00:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tax cuts since the year 200 would have been nice, but I meant 2004.  Must have been the influence of the Latin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tax cuts since the year 200 would have been nice, but I meant 2004.  Must have been the influence of the Latin.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/budget-2008-analysis/#comment-47255</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 00:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew Pilott,

Here&#039;s what I think.  I think we could have afforded tax cuts in any of the years since 200.  Cullen just didn&#039;t want to give them because, being a socialist (or social democrat, if there is a difference) he doesn&#039;t like tax cuts.

Now, politically and for no other reason, he &lt;i&gt;has&lt;/i&gt; to give them, even though by the criteria he set the conditions are much less favourable than at any time at least since 2004.

&lt;i&gt;munera accipit frequens, remittit nunquam&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew Pilott,</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what I think.  I think we could have afforded tax cuts in any of the years since 200.  Cullen just didn&#8217;t want to give them because, being a socialist (or social democrat, if there is a difference) he doesn&#8217;t like tax cuts.</p>
<p>Now, politically and for no other reason, he <i>has</i> to give them, even though by the criteria he set the conditions are much less favourable than at any time at least since 2004.</p>
<p><i>munera accipit frequens, remittit nunquam</i></p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Pilott</title>
		<link>http://www.thestandard.org.nz/budget-2008-analysis/#comment-47242</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Pilott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 00:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Billy, sometimes macroeconomic concerns are well over my head, but I&#039;ll take a small punt.  

I think we&#039;re experiencing those &#039;future economic shocks&#039; to a small degree now - hugely increased prices have reduced spending, and enabled said tax cuts to occur.  Given the change in the economic climate since 2005, it&#039;s worng to hold what Cullen said in 2004 as relevant now.  You seem to be taking Cullen&#039;s comments &lt;i&gt;ceteris paribus&lt;/i&gt; which is by no means the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Billy, sometimes macroeconomic concerns are well over my head, but I&#8217;ll take a small punt.  </p>
<p>I think we&#8217;re experiencing those &#8216;future economic shocks&#8217; to a small degree now &#8211; hugely increased prices have reduced spending, and enabled said tax cuts to occur.  Given the change in the economic climate since 2005, it&#8217;s worng to hold what Cullen said in 2004 as relevant now.  You seem to be taking Cullen&#8217;s comments <i>ceteris paribus</i> which is by no means the case.</p>
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