A tale of two Johns

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1. ghostwhowalksnz 1

   6 November 2009 at 11:51 am

   That would SIR Garth George by the end of news years day
2. willaspish 2

   6 November 2009 at 11:59 am

   I think it’s about time we ‘kicked the tyres’ on John Key.
   • felix 2.1

     6 November 2009 at 1:06 pm

     Yep, I reckon we should have a look into that.
3. tc 3

   6 November 2009 at 12:11 pm

   Style over substance………repeat till you submit.
4. Evidence-Based Practice 4

   6 November 2009 at 12:13 pm

   I hate that expression New Zealand Incorporated. We are a country made up of big and small communities of real people living on a pretty little piece of land in the middle of the ocean. Not a business. We aren’t here just to see how much we can exploit our natural and human resources, and measure it merely in terms of some artificial monetary value.
5. torydog 5

   6 November 2009 at 12:26 pm

   Has Garth been hanging out with Millie Elder??? Make you wonder as one would have to be on something to cook up that crap!
6. kaplan 6

   6 November 2009 at 12:27 pm

   Here’s my tale of two Johns.

   John 1 (John Key). Takes you for a ride you don’t enjoy, pockets your cash for himself and his mates and rides off into the sunset.

   John 2. (A john). Takes you for a ride you don’t enjoy, hands you some cash and rides off into the sunset.

   The only difference appears to be the direction the cash flows.
7. Scribe 7

   6 November 2009 at 12:34 pm

   r0b,

   Not sure, but I think I might be a little younger than you. Muldoon is the first PM I remember, so we’re only retreating 25 years or so.

   I was surprised by the effusiveness of Garth’s piece yesterday, but he’s obviously entitled to his opinion. I think he’s right, though, that John Key is a unique PM. I’ve never seen anyone like him in my time, and I say that in terms of his ascent to the top, his lack of pretension, his casualness, his apparent humanness (“down-to-earthness”).

   I know you hate John Key and what he stands for, but can’t he be a lot of things that Garth and John say he is despite those concerns? I’m not a big Obama fan, but I can readily admit that he’s unique and “a [President] the like of whom we have never seen”.
   • r0b 7.1

     6 November 2009 at 2:12 pm

     Not sure, but I think I might be a little younger than you.

     Lots of people are Scribe!

     I know you hate John Key and what he stands for

     I don’t hate JK at all, I’ve never met him, and truly it isn’t worth the effort. I learned that in younger days using up my hate against more worthy recipients (Muldoon and Thatcher). JK is just a politician, they come and they go.

     I do hate what JK’s party stands for. The enrichment of the already rich. The total disregard for the less well off. The destructive plundering of the environment, the ideological agenda that has no regard at all for facts, and the utter lack anything even approaching an understanding of long term consequences and planning.

     but can’t he be a lot of things that Garth and John say he is despite those concerns?

     Oh yes, he can be a snappy dresser have a “nice” guy image, be rich and folksy, he can help old ladies across the road and floss his teeth every night. That makes him popular and a good performer, but it doesn’t make him a good PM, and anyone who thinks it does is (pardon me) a nincompoop of the first order.

     In all matters of consequence Key is a terrible PM. He’s enabling the damaging Nat agenda (see above). He’s breaking promises and flip flopping all over. He’s running a government with a notable contempt for democratic process. He is allowing any kind of corrupt/unethical behaviour by his ministers to go unchecked. His coalition management sucks. He is (with one notable exception) avoiding the hard decisions. And he’s stuck in outmoded catastrophically short term thinking on energy, resources and the environment. For starters.

     Much of the country is happy, like Garth and John, to be schmoozed by the nice guy image. I don’t give a damn for it. I want results for ordinary people and a sustainable future. I want a PM, not a show pony.
8. ghostwhowalksnz 8

   6 November 2009 at 12:38 pm

   This was part of the Heralds ‘anniversary’, but of Labours win, in Nov 2000.

   By JOHN ARMSTRONG political editor

   National has narrowly overhauled Labour in the latest Herald DigiPoll survey as voters tell Helen Clark to get to grips with economic problems on the anniversary of last year’s election victory.

   Many more voters are expressing pessimism about the economy than in a poll taken in March during the heady days of the Coalition’s “honeymoon.”

   The period since March has brought rises in petrol prices, a backlash from business, plunging economic confidence and a new low for the dollar.

   But Labour and the Alliance now feel they are through the worst as they mark their November 27 victory anniversary – and other opinion polls have reflected a subsequent bounce-back in economic optimism.

   Many voters in the DigiPoll sample still query the Government’s economic competence. Nearly 50 per cent of those polled over the past 10 days doubt the Government is getting to grips with economic problems, against 39 per cent who feel it is.”
   http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=161909

   Funny there was no huge beat up then, and the economy was a ripper compared to now. Maybe the Herald does its own icing of the birthday cake for National

   Later in June 2001 Armstrong is less upbeat 6 months later even though Labour is riding high in the polls- it seems than when its Labour they cant do it all right so its not good. A complete reversal to National who who have the same misteps but are ‘all good’

   The Crete trip, however, was an apt illustration of how time in power slowly erodes a government’s standing. As a new Prime Minister, Clark basked in the glow of last year’s 85th commemoration of Gallipoli. A year on, coverage of the Battle of Crete anniversary was more low-key, upstaged by her own stuff-up as ministers back home struggled to contain the John Yelash affair, an Opposition-fuelled distraction that exposed Clark’s contradictory stances on confidential payouts.

   This is a vulnerable time for Labour. Midway through the life of a parliament, cabinet ministers can become lost in the detail of their portfolios. They have been long enough in the job to be prone to the arrogance of office and believe in their own infallibility. Bureaucrats fawn. Discipline loosens. Mistakes compound.

   In Labour’s case, the opinion polls are a recipe for complacency. The centre-right parties have not overtaken the centre-left since the last election. The gap narrowed briefly last October following the so-called “winter of discontent,” only to widen again as Labour turned on its “charm offensive”with business.

   http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=193968
9. Cal 9

   7 November 2009 at 12:00 am

   Ugh, gag me with a spoon! Garth George has his head so far up JK’s backside I’m surprised he know’s what year it is.
   And for the record, my feet are feeling a little chilly as I too am agreeing with Rodney Hide for the first time ever.

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